What is Honda’s Plan For CR-V and Civic Oil Dilution?

Excess fuel vapors in Honda’s 1.5-liter engine aren’t burning off and diluting the engine’s oil. This raises the oil level, triggers warning lights, creates a terrible smell, and brings into question the prospect of long-term damage caused by the oil’s inability to properly protect the engine.

Oil dilution is known problem for the 2017-2018 CR-V and 2016-2018 Civic and is particularly troublesome in cold-weather areas. There is a fix coming, but your eligibility largely depends on where you live.

Honda’s Solution for Rising Oil Levels

Honda will attempt to fix the oil dilution problem with a service campaign that includes:

  1. Software updates to the transmission control module and electronic fuel injection system.
  2. Replacing a drain plug washer
  3. Replacing the climate control unit (in some cases)
  4. A fresh oil change

Honda believes these updates will allow the engine to warm up faster and improve fuel combustion.

Unfortunately the fix isn’t available to everyone. How these updates are applied and to which vehicles depends on where you live.

Service campaign information for US customers

The service campaign will be offered to US customers starting in December of 2018. However, it is initially limited limited to 2017-2018 CR-V owners in five states – Maine, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wisconsin.

Additional cold weather states will be added as replacement parts become available. That most likely includes Alaska, Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Vermont.

Honda says all 2019 CR-Vs will receive the update before leaving dealer’s lots.

Service campaign information for Canadian customers

Honda Canada is taking a more aggressive approach. They are offering service campaign N60 to Canadian owners of the 2017-2018 CR-V and 2016-2018 Civic starting in November 2018.

Additionally, owners will receive a warranty extension on “certain engine components” for up to six years from the original date of purchase, with no mileage limit.

This is all part of Honda CA’s more aggressive approach towards the problem

Honda CA has been more forthcoming with owners about the oil dilution problem from the beginning.

  • April 2018: They released a TSB regarding the engine misfiring and oil pressure warning lights coming on during cold weather. The TSB confirmed reports of a higher-than-normal engine oil level due to contamination from fuel build-up in the 2015-2018 CR-V and 2016-2018 Civic.
  • August 2018: They took it one step further by releasing a statement saying they were aware of the problem and were working on potential counter-measures. Those counter-measures appear to be the inspiration for the fixes mentioned above.
  • October 2018: They released a new statement regarding Irregularly High Oil Levels in Certain Honda Vehicles. In it, they confirm news about the software updates and offer extended warranties on “certain components” in the 2017-2018 CR-V and 2016-2018 Civic.

Will there be an extended warranty for US customers?

It isn’t clear if Honda will offer a similar warranty extension or include the Civic as part of their service campaign in the United States.

For now, US spokesman Chris Martin says the regional campaign is due to weather and sales volume.

He does know it gets really cold in other parts of the US too, right? And we sure are seeing a lot of complaints for something that “isn’t very common.”

Direct Injection Engines Have a History of Oil Dilution Problems

Honda’s Earth Dreams technology is part of a direct-injection engine which pumps fuel directly into the chamber under high pressure. These engines are great for performance and fuel efficiency, but have been more susceptible to oil dilution.

Sprayed fuel sticks to the cylinder walls and eventually travels down into the crankcase where it mixes with the engine oil in the oil pan.

Automakers depend on engine heat to help burn off these fuel vapors, but if the engine never gets hot enough the fuel eventually dilutes the engine oil and raises the overall oil level.

Why elevated oil levels are concerning

So what are the consequences of diluted oil? Well in this case there are quite a few.

  1. The check engine light comes on once the oil level reaches 21mm above the dipstick’s current limit.
  2. Reports indicate the problem creates a stinky, gas-fumed cabin that’s so bad owners feel nauseous and dizzy while driving.
  3. In certain cases owners have said their engines have mis-fired or stalled once the oil becomes diluted.

Beyond that, what are the long-term ramifications of trying to protect your engine with gas-thinned oil? Or driving with an overfilled reservoir?

The  Honda Technology Research Institute conducted lab and real-world driving tests in the extreme cold of northern China and determined that high oil levels do not cause engine damage.

Tell that to these 2017 CR-V owners.

“Although Honda in China stated in a press release that this issue would not cause engine damage I believe my oil analysis report provides evidence to the contrary. I was told upon receiving my report that oil was at approximately 5% of the viscosity it should have and that the wear metals number should not be higher then 20. My number was 218. That’s insanely high. Honda has yet to respond to this oil analysis report.”

And

…the dealer has told me they will replace entire cylinder head. They have not told me that there is a fix to the cause of the problem nor can they tell me how long it will take to fix the damage. Honda needs to address this problem and communicate with their affected customers as to what the plan is. They also need to either offer buy-backs or extend the warranty once resolved to 6 years.

Who’s to Blame for the Rising Oil Levels?

Honda is quick to point out a couple reasons why their engines have this problem, and both seem to revolve around placing blame on drivers.

Too many short distance trips in cold weather

The first is drivers who only take short trips, especially in cold weather areas, aren’t allowing the engine to sufficiently heat up and burn off excess vapors.

Listen, they’re right – lots of short trips aren’t good for any engine. But 2016 and older Honda owners aren’t the first group to take short trips. So why is there a higher-than-average number of complaints about dilution issues in the 2017 and 2018 CR-V, and the 2016, 2017, and 2018 Civic?

Is Earth Dreams too efficient?

Honda says that the design of their efficient engine design doesn’t waste any heat.

 With minimal wasted heat your engine can develop condensation and excess fuel vapors than combustion if not driven in a manner that allows the engines to fully reach operating temperature which would normally burn off the contaminates.

This might also explain why people are having a hard time warming up their cars while idling.

Honda is asking drivers to limit extended idling, use a block heater, drive in lower gears at the start of trips, and drive for longer trips to help the engine warm up.

Because when life gives you lemons, blame the sourness on someone else.

A Stop-Sale Ordered in China

In February 2018, Dongfeng Honda – a Chinese car company half-owned by Honda – ordered a recall of 350,000 vehicles after numerous complaints from owners in the colder regions of northern China.

Honda planned on updating the vehicle’s gasoline injection control software to adjust the timing and speed of the injection. They also planned on extending the engine’s warranty to 6 years.

But the emphasis is on plan, because the recall was rejected by Chinese regulators, who want a better plan for fixing the problem.

Until a new recall is agreed upon, Honda has issued a stop-sale on all new CR-Vs in China.

Potential class-action lawsuit in the USA

The law firm of Sauder Schelkopf LLC is currently investigating a class-action lawsuit on behalf of owners of 2016-2018 Honda CR-V vehicles that are prone to engine oil contamination.

Sauder Schelkopf (www.sauderschelkopf.com) is a leading national class action law firm that advances the interests of its clients by recovering the money they have lost, and obtaining the relief to which they are entitled. The lawyers at Sauder Schelkopf have recovered millions of dollars on behalf of consumers and have earned their reputation as skilled and aggressive veteran litigators

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Vehicles That Might Have This Problem

Model Generation Years PainRank
CR-V 5th Gen 2017–2018 28.99
Civic 10th Gen 2016–2018 29.01

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